Multi-Boxing GW? - Guild Wars Forums

Jubiniboy · Aug 18, 2008, 08:37 AM // 08:37

Hi, as I'm sure some of you know there are programs out there that let you run two copies of Guild Wars at the same time(GWx2). My question is, if I use a program such as Octopus or Keyclone. which allow you to spread the same key presses along multiple windows. Is this considered against the EULA? Since I am physically present (and niether of these programs can play the game for me, it just makes it easier to do 2 char +6 hero) is it considered illegal?

There is much debate on these programs for other games (read:WoW) and they have been considered acceptable. Does A-net also consider these programs acceptable? or do they vehemently disagree?

I want to know if I can save myself some hassle of multiple alt+tabbing doing instances (and running 2 ele's at the same time), but I also recognize the potential for abuse (multiple farming monks?)

As a disclaimer, these programs don't give any additional benefits other than pressing the same key for multiple windows (something that can be achieved using 1 wireless keyboard + 2 PC's) and I also realize many users will instanly flame me for suggesting that ANY 3rd party program might not be illegal.

Thanks in advance.

Killed u man · Aug 18, 2008, 08:50 AM // 08:50

Yes, it's against the EULA.

No, Anet doesn't care...

Why does every PvE'er and his mom (Don't take it personal) have to find justification for the stuff he's planning on doing anyways, regardless of what the anwser is...

No, ANY program that interferes with GW in ANY way is illegal. If you have a program that logs U out by pressing a key, yes it's illegal.

If you have a program that Automaticly types: "WTB, XXX", yes that is illegal.

But it doesn't matter, it just... doesn't... matter...

When Anet refers to this stuff in their EULA, they are referring to people who:

-Plan on making profit out of GW through botting
-Plan on ruining it for other players (E.G: farm botting HFFF to buy a town)
-Who bot their intire GW carreer.

They are NOT here to hunt every person down that is using a "third-party-program" to BANN HIM, BABAAAAAAAAAN HIM. No.

Regardless what people say here:

You shouldn't worry, unless your intentions are to hack GW, Anet won't ban you... (Don't even think about perm ban lol)

duckboy · Aug 18, 2008, 08:56 AM // 08:56

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Originally Posted by Jubiniboy

... Is this considered against the EULA? Since I am physically present (and niether of these programs can play the game for me, it just makes it easier to do 2 char +6 hero) is it considered illegal?

gd question, since as u said, its ur account and ur actually playing both, theyre both ur characters and even heck, ur playing them on one computer so no multi computer issues (tho i dont think gw has anythin like that).

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Originally Posted by Jubiniboy

but I also recognize the potential for abuse (multiple farming monks?)

tbh i never thought of that as an issue but ye, it is a biggy. Tho tbh how sometimes there's a lot of botters in 1 place, makes u wonder if they don't do this already

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Originally Posted by Jubiniboy

...and I also realize many users will instanly flame me for suggesting that ANY 3rd party program might not be illegal.

Thanks in advance.

and if they do flame u for this idea, then merely point em towards that little program called texmod. tbh i think these programs u mention are more legal that texmod as like u said, they offer no advantage other that multi character use, where as texmod does offer advantages such as easy carto gaining, viewing the map before u have even been there, etc.

Zidane Ortef · Aug 18, 2008, 10:09 AM // 10:09

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

No, ANY program that interferes with GW in ANY way is illegal. If you have a program that logs U out by pressing a key, yes it's illegal.

If you have a program that Automatically types: "WTB, XXX", yes that is illegal.

Texmod alters the way things look in GW and it has been said that Anet doesn't mind it.

And my G15 keyboard allows me to send sentences in one key press I used it for Guild recruiting in towns becuz my message was the same everyday and rather long took up to lines( as in full line enter enter another line). My keyboard also allows me to use multiple skills at once where its for me or heroes, I can do the drunkard title while I'm afk at work or sleep. Speed click threw stacks of sweets and party points in seconds and not have a sore finger. Thats one of the funner things is clicking threw 4 stack of sweets/party points in a press of a button. But everything I've said benefits me and me only for in-game purposed and no outside conversion like the RMT companies are involved in. Macros just make life easier in the case of Guildwars they don't have a system built into their game as most other games do. If it doesn't hurt the game or Anet then i say why not you don't make money, they don't lose money. and thats all they really care bout just like every company. Also don't fall for a companies we care about our customers, as long as they make money and still have a job when they wake it that is all that matters to them.

GaaaaaH · Aug 18, 2008, 11:30 AM // 11:30

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Originally Posted by Zidane Ortef

Texmod alters the way things look in GW and it has been said that Anet doesn't mind it.

And my G15 keyboard allows me to send sentences in one key press I used it for Guild recruiting in towns becuz my message was the same everyday and rather long took up to lines( as in full line enter enter another line). My keyboard also allows me to use multiple skills at once where its for me or heroes, I can do the drunkard title while I'm afk at work or sleep. Speed click threw stacks of sweets and party points in seconds and not have a sore finger. Thats one of the funner things is clicking threw 4 stack of sweets/party points in a press of a button. But everything I've said benefits me and me only for in-game purposed and no outside conversion like the RMT companies are involved in. Macros just make life easier in the case of Guildwars they don't have a system built into their game as most other games do. If it doesn't hurt the game or Anet then i say why not you don't make money, they don't lose money. and thats all they really care bout just like every company. Also don't fall for a companies we care about our customers, as long as they make money and still have a job when they wake it that is all that matters to them.

you sir are what players should not become

TheodenKing · Aug 18, 2008, 02:02 PM // 14:02

If you are multi-playing in the manner you describe, the only possible reason I can think of you would do that is for faster accumulation of in-game wealth. Regardless of what anyone says to justify your actions, you are cheating.

Zidane is cheating to advance his title. Do I care? No. It has no effect on me or the in-game economy.

Do people get away with it? Likely so. Just look at all the people running macros in Lutgardis for hfff. Anet knows about it, but so far has chosen not to deal with them. Does that make it ok? No. Could Anet choose to address the advanced keyboard macros? If they want to, they will, though it would be quite a headache for them.

Will we feel bad for you if you get banned for botting? No.

Killed u man · Aug 18, 2008, 02:16 PM // 14:16

Textmod gives u an unfair advantage over people not using it.

G15 Keyboard gives u an unfair advantage over people not using it. (Face it, saving 5 minutes a day,is still saving 5 minutes a day others can't)

Yes, Anet CAN ban you for using those programs. Will they? No, they won't.

JupiterStarWarrior · Aug 18, 2008, 02:53 PM // 14:53

In regards to Texmod, it depends on what you use it for. If you're using it to change the look of Guild Wars then it's not really an advantage. However, if you're using it to help with your cartography, then it is an advantage, but it doesn't really hurt the game, but just provides a much better tool to figure out where you've been.

In regards to macros, I can understand doing a sentence at a touch of a button, but you really shouldn't spam the Local chat. ^_^; I just can't see anyone justifying using them for an unfair advantage with titles and the like. Still, it doesn't affect me, so I really don't care one way or the other.

Use anything that does affect the player-base in a negative (even positive, but that's another issue) way, then there is a problem. ^_^;

To answer the question, though, I find this a safe policy: If you have to ask, then chances are it's against the Terms of Use.

On another note, the User Agreement isn't exactly an End-User License Agreement, I don't think... :-/ Is it?

Ultima pyromancer · Aug 18, 2008, 03:10 PM // 15:10

Texmod doesn't give an advantage over other players. It affects gameplay in no way in PvP (exept maybe a 50% health marker for certain conditional skills) , therfore it isn't an unfair advantage.

The OP Isn't asking about texmod though. He is changing nothing in the game and that is totally unrelated.

More on topic:
Would it be considered cheating if he had 2 accounts and 2 computers running at the same time? I don't see that in the EULA.

I use GWx2 to transfer all my crap to my storage account - Am I cheating by doing this? There is a fine line between botting and using things such as GWx2. I think somewhere it was said, aslong as you are present (as opposed to sat watching TV while your monk grinds avicara or HFFF's for you) You can use things such as macros for Guild Recruiting, don't quote me on that but i seem to remember something simillar with a simple click macro for death levelling and another for the drunkard. Since we haven't been told which things are Illegal or Legal i guess we will never know :P

Aug 18, 2008, 08:37 AM // 08:37	#1
Jubiniboy Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Dec 2007 Profession: R/	Multi-Boxing GW? Hi, as I'm sure some of you know there are programs out there that let you run two copies of Guild Wars at the same time(GWx2). My question is, if I use a program such as Octopus or Keyclone. which allow you to spread the same key presses along multiple windows. Is this considered against the EULA? Since I am physically present (and niether of these programs can play the game for me, it just makes it easier to do 2 char +6 hero) is it considered illegal? There is much debate on these programs for other games (read:WoW) and they have been considered acceptable. Does A-net also consider these programs acceptable? or do they vehemently disagree? I want to know if I can save myself some hassle of multiple alt+tabbing doing instances (and running 2 ele's at the same time), but I also recognize the potential for abuse (multiple farming monks?) As a disclaimer, these programs don't give any additional benefits other than pressing the same key for multiple windows (something that can be achieved using 1 wireless keyboard + 2 PC's) and I also realize many users will instanly flame me for suggesting that ANY 3rd party program might not be illegal. Thanks in advance.

Aug 18, 2008, 08:50 AM // 08:50	#2
Killed u man Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2006	Yes, it's against the EULA. No, Anet doesn't care... Why does every PvE'er and his mom (Don't take it personal) have to find justification for the stuff he's planning on doing anyways, regardless of what the anwser is... No, ANY program that interferes with GW in ANY way is illegal. If you have a program that logs U out by pressing a key, yes it's illegal. If you have a program that Automaticly types: "WTB, XXX", yes that is illegal. But it doesn't matter, it just... doesn't... matter... When Anet refers to this stuff in their EULA, they are referring to people who: -Plan on making profit out of GW through botting -Plan on ruining it for other players (E.G: farm botting HFFF to buy a town) -Who bot their intire GW carreer. They are NOT here to hunt every person down that is using a "third-party-program" to BANN HIM, BABAAAAAAAAAN HIM. No. Regardless what people say here: You shouldn't worry, unless your intentions are to hack GW, Anet won't ban you... (Don't even think about perm ban lol)

Aug 18, 2008, 02:02 PM // 14:02	#6
TheodenKing Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: DoA Guild: Dark Order of Retarded Knights (doRk) Profession: N/Me	If you are multi-playing in the manner you describe, the only possible reason I can think of you would do that is for faster accumulation of in-game wealth. Regardless of what anyone says to justify your actions, you are cheating. Zidane is cheating to advance his title. Do I care? No. It has no effect on me or the in-game economy. Do people get away with it? Likely so. Just look at all the people running macros in Lutgardis for hfff. Anet knows about it, but so far has chosen not to deal with them. Does that make it ok? No. Could Anet choose to address the advanced keyboard macros? If they want to, they will, though it would be quite a headache for them. Will we feel bad for you if you get banned for botting? No.

Aug 18, 2008, 02:16 PM // 14:16	#7
Killed u man Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2006	Textmod gives u an unfair advantage over people not using it. G15 Keyboard gives u an unfair advantage over people not using it. (Face it, saving 5 minutes a day,is still saving 5 minutes a day others can't) Yes, Anet CAN ban you for using those programs. Will they? No, they won't.

Aug 18, 2008, 02:53 PM // 14:53	#8
JupiterStarWarrior Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Oklahoma City Guild: Noble Order Of Valiant Angels Profession: Me/	In regards to Texmod, it depends on what you use it for. If you're using it to change the look of Guild Wars then it's not really an advantage. However, if you're using it to help with your cartography, then it is an advantage, but it doesn't really hurt the game, but just provides a much better tool to figure out where you've been. In regards to macros, I can understand doing a sentence at a touch of a button, but you really shouldn't spam the Local chat. ^_^; I just can't see anyone justifying using them for an unfair advantage with titles and the like. Still, it doesn't affect me, so I really don't care one way or the other. Use anything that does affect the player-base in a negative (even positive, but that's another issue) way, then there is a problem. ^_^; To answer the question, though, I find this a safe policy: If you have to ask, then chances are it's against the Terms of Use. On another note, the User Agreement isn't exactly an End-User License Agreement, I don't think... :-/ Is it?

Aug 18, 2008, 03:10 PM // 15:10	#9
Ultima pyromancer Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: Club Of A Thousand Pandas [LOD???] Profession: Me/	Texmod doesn't give an advantage over other players. It affects gameplay in no way in PvP (exept maybe a 50% health marker for certain conditional skills) , therfore it isn't an unfair advantage. The OP Isn't asking about texmod though. He is changing nothing in the game and that is totally unrelated. More on topic: Would it be considered cheating if he had 2 accounts and 2 computers running at the same time? I don't see that in the EULA. I use GWx2 to transfer all my crap to my storage account - Am I cheating by doing this? There is a fine line between botting and using things such as GWx2. I think somewhere it was said, aslong as you are present (as opposed to sat watching TV while your monk grinds avicara or HFFF's for you) You can use things such as macros for Guild Recruiting, don't quote me on that but i seem to remember something simillar with a simple click macro for death levelling and another for the drunkard. Since we haven't been told which things are Illegal or Legal i guess we will never know :P